I've read some of the Fables' comics, and they're very good. Does anyone know if the Fables comic series will ever have an animated TV series? Or will it get a live action adaptation? Because I, for one, would love to see that. What are your thoughts?
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•Telltale’s The Walking Dead Season 1 (2012)
•Telltale’s The Walking Dead: 400 Days (2012)
•The Wolf Among Us (2013)
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•Telltale’s The Walking Dead Season 2 (2013)
•Telltale’s The Walking Dead: A New Frontier (2016)
•Telltale’s The Walking Dead: The Final Season (2019)
PHASE 3 (Final)
•The Wolf Among Us 2 (2024)
•The Wolf Among Us 3 (2027)
•Fables vs. The Walking Dead: The Telltale Series (2030)
Hi, Fables fans! I'm the wiki representative for the Fables Wiki if you don't know me, and I'm here to bring up various concerns and suggestions so we can get them all in one place and see what we want to do about them. It'll be a long list and I'll provide my own feedback, but I'm just here to help you through any challenges, not to have my own say in the matter.
Wiki rules: It was mentioned that the rules were written exclusively by one admin. This is normal, and it's not uncommon for admins to write rules before there's an active community so something's in place. But just because rules were created by one person doesn't mean they can't be changed based on new input, and just because one person wrote the rules doesn't mean the rules weren't based on a community consensus.
Changing wiki standards: Just because the wiki has existing standards doesn't mean they're perfect, but the fact that they may not be perfect also doesn't mean they should be changed. If there are two users who disagree on the current setup and nobody else with an interest one way or the other, maintaining what's there is a reasonable compromise by default. This will typically be less work, and if there isn't an agreement to change it, it's easier to simply leave it. These kinds of conversations can always come back around at a later date.
Protected pages: In general, it's good practice to only protect pages for a limited time in response to ongoing edit wars or vandalism. In rare cases (the main page, wiki rules, high-traffic templates) permanent protection may be preferable. Sometimes pages may get protected for longer periods of time than necessary and it makes them harder to edit. If this happens, just reach out to an admin and request the removal of the protection.
Redirect pages: A redirect is a page that leads to another page. For example, if I have a page called "House of Bloodaxe," I may have a redirect page called "Bloodaxe," and clicking on a "Bloodaxe" link will lead to "House of Bloodaxe." The redirect serves three major purposes. First, there are often alternate ways of spelling something, whether it's a character with an alias ("Bruce Wayne" vs "Batman"), something that may be worded differently in a different context ("Rhinegold" vs "Rheingold"; "human" vs "humanity"), or even common misspellings. Other than the latter, these are all things that might show up differently in the article text, yet refer to the same thing, so it's easier to use this as a direct link, which the redirect enables. The second benefit is searching. If I want to see the Bloodaxe family but don't already know the exact page name, I'm going to type "Bloodaxe" in the search bar. If "Bloodaxe" already redirects to "House of Bloodaxe," it will show up right away as if I'd type the actual page name, while if the redirect doesn't exist, I'll have to do a full search. The result will probably be easy to find, but I'm stuck with that extra step. The third advantage of redirects is for grouped pages, such as a page that covers multiple minor characters. If there's a minor character called "Amirami" who's described on a page called "Minor characters," a redirect called "Amirami" that leads to "Minor characters#Amirami" is not just simpler and cleaner for editors, who can simply link to the redirect when writing, but if the Amirami section of the page expands out into a full character page later, the redirect can be replaced with that content and all the pages that previously linked to Amirami will already be linking to the correct page.
Edit limits: The current rules suggest no more than 3-5 edits on a single page on a single day. It's been suggested that this is too harsh. While it's a suggestion, not a rule, and while it does have a legitimate purpose (to prevent edit farming), I would suggest that a better rule is not to edit farm. Depending on the types of edits an editor is working on, editing a page more than five times, while uncommon, can easily be necessary. Meanwhile, edit famring can be performed with one edit per page on multiple pages, and that's what the spirit of this rule seeks to prevent.
Editorializing: Not technically the right word for this, but it's what I use for simplicity. When a user edits existing content based on how they feel it should be worded rather than based on correcting errors. I believe Snow White called this "glamour editing." It sounds like this is frowned upon here, which is not uncommon - it can be considered rude to rephrase someone else's sentences. At the same time, there are sentences that are objectively correct, yet are unclear because of their wording, so rewording these does have a positive impact. Where the line should be drawn isn't a simple thing.
Image issues: It sounds like there was a disagreement about thumbnails, and either this was worked out already or I'm missing what the disagreement was. I can revisit if necessary. There was also a disagreement with image frames/borders, and it took me a bit to figure out what this was meant, but I think these are two separate things. I see that pages without infoboxes are represented by an image with a white frame around it. Most pages have infoboxes, which are something people generally expect to see on a wiki page, anyway, so I'd suggest adding infoboxes for these, instead. The other was about comic cropping. Namely, crop images within comic frames, which sounds reasonable, and it looked like everyone agreed. Similar to the black bars that frame a movie - that's not part of the content, so it's not something you want to see on the wiki.
HTML shortcut templates: I see that Nightlily wanted to create quick templates that would compress simple HTML, such as <small>TEXT</small> to {{s|TEXT}}. I can see the personal value in this, but I have to come down against that one. It definitely saves a few seconds here and there, which can add up. However, every user who sees that isn't going to know what it is and will have to learn how to use it independently from their outside wiki experience. If they're an experienced editor they'll need to look up the template to familiarize themselves with it. If they're an inexperienced user they may be able to figure out how it works, but what they'll have learned is something that can only be used on this wiki. This can easily cause them to make mistakes on other wikis. It's not a terrible idea by any means, but it seems a little unwelcoming to other users.
Page title formatting: Comic titles were previously capitalized based on common capitalization found online rather than title casing, resulting in articles and prepositions being capitalized at unexpected times. I believe these are being switched to title casing now. This should be cleaner for users in general, as this is the expected, objective method.
Page creation: It has been suggested that pages under 500 words should be allowed, though they currently are not. While it's common for lots of wikis to have short pages, even short pages that are unlikely to grow, short pages do reduce the overall quality of the wiki and its search engine optimization. Should the line be so rigid at 500 words? I'm not sure. We recommend 300-400 for the minimum page length, but it's also possible that some pages hold a level of importance that overrides this. It sounds like comic issues are covered regardless of if they meet the 500-word count, for example. That's good - it'd be uncomfortable if there were gaps in the comic lists with different comics being covered in different ways. That could also be true for other types of pages, but preventing the creation of permanent stubs is also good. I can't say this is a bad rule of thumb, at least.
Trivia/fluff: It sounds like there's a rule against noting what characters are based on, such as Snow White being based on the German fairytale? This wasn't a contentious issue, but I would definitely recommend including that kind of thing, at least in a trivia section, if not the lede. A lot of it may be common knowledge, but there will still be people who don't know, and having the specific origin is something people do find interesting. Knowing that the entire franchise is based on fairytales is one thing, but knowing which specific fairytale or other cultural lore is being referenced by a specific character or object is another, and people who like fairytales but don't have encyclopedic knowledge of them will appreciate that.
File naming: I don't have the wiki rules open at the moment, so I don't know if this is mentioned. It sounds like this could use some clarification so files can be named consistently without conflict.
Are you gonna update the wiki to reflect Bill Willingham's decision to put all these works in the public domain?
Who do you think will win Bigby Wolf Fables or Emma Swan Once upon a Time? I'm betting on Bigby Wolf since he has extensive experience in the military during World War II (read Fables 20, 28, 29).
Did anyone else see today's "Frank and Ernest" comic strip? (at GoComics.com). Check it out: it talks about Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, and Cinderella meeting, only to realize there is only one Prince Charming. It's a one-panel condensation of the first few pages of "The Mean Seasons," Fables v. 5! I left a comment to that effect.
How is it that some Fables such as Bigby and Beast are able to transform without Glamours? I always thought that certain Fables could change forms if their story said they could, explaining Beast, but not Bigby.
I honestly have no clue who Gwen is based off of. Like Fables are fairy tale characters - except for Bloody Mary and some others - but I have no clue which fairy tail Gwen is from, I've searched for it everywhere.
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